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Arun Wadhwani

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Enviado Lunes, 18 de Agosto de 2003 - 04:38 pm:   

All Glories to Srila Prabhupada

Hare Krishna, PAMHO

The other day I was doing some preaching and I came across a question to which I could not sufficiently reply. The question was,

HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT THE TEXTS THAT YOU ARE BASING YOUR PHILOSPHY ON, ARENT SUBJECT TO PERSONAL DEGRADATION AND BIAS?}

I told the fellow that they are all by pure devotees of the lord who donot identify with the body. Therefore a personal bias isnt possible. I amnt sure whether I gave a good reply or not. Also, I am on vacation and donot have any senior devotees around whom I could consult with. Help Please.

Regards,
-Arun





Nimaipanditdasa

Nombre de Usuario: Nimaipanditdasa

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Enviado Miercoles, 09 de Marzo de 2005 - 05:25 pm:   

Hare Krishna prabhu
PAMHO AGTSP

Although your message was posted long long time ago, is the first time I've seen this folder so nevermind, maybe someone will check it sooner or later (Smile)

In my opinion your answer is a very good one.
Also it is said that a tree should be judged by its fruits. Srila Bhaktisiddhanta used to say that he didn't read books on the contrary he checked the authors. He was a proofreader. So if the author wasn't qualified he reject the book straightfordward.

So your analysis is very acurate. We must see the character of the author, the quality of his personality and so forth.

What values most from a person? His consciousness. People loves or reject someone according the actions he does. Actions are the result of desires and desires are made according our consciousness. You can be a murderer or a Saint, and it all depends on what kind of consciousness do you have, isn't it?

Therefore books are writen according a type of consciousness. If a book have instructions these can be checked by simply follow them, then we can judge according the result

The Bhagavad Gita has been followed by many many many Saintly people and has been proved that their consciousness was higher and that they were much more happy than the rest by following these injuctions and lifestyle.



WHAT SRILA PRABHUPADA SAID ABOUT THIS?

TEXT 1

sri-bhagavan uvaca
imam vivasvate yogam
proktavan aham avyayam
vivasvan manave praha
manur iksvakave 'bravit


TRANSLATION

The Blessed Lord said: I instructed this imperishable science of yoga to the sun-god, Vivasvan, and Vivasvan instructed it to Manu, the father of mankind, and Manu in turn instructed it to Iksvaku.


(...) In the Mahabharata (Santi-parva 348.51-52) we can trace out the history of the Gita as follows:

treta-yugadau ca tato vivasvan manave dadau
manus ca loka-bhrty-artham sutayeksvakave dadau
iksvakuna ca kathito vyapya lokan avasthitah

"In the beginning of the Treta-yuga [millennium] this science of the relationship with the Supreme was delivered by Vivasvan to Manu. Manu, being the father of mankind, gave it to his son Maharaja Iksvaku, the king of this earth planet and forefather of the Raghu dynasty in which Lord Ramacandra appeared." Therefore, Bhagavad-gita existed in the human society from the time of Maharaja Iksvaku.

At the present moment we have just passed through five thousand years of the Kali-yuga, which lasts 432,000 years. Before this there was the Dvapara-yuga (800,000 years), and before that there was Treta-yuga (1,200,000 years). Thus, some 2,005,000 years ago, Manu spoke the Bhagavad-gita to his disciple and son Maharaja Iksvaku, the king of this planet earth. The age of the current Manu is calculated to last some 305,300,000 years, of which 120,400,000 have passed. Accepting that before the birth of Manu, the Gita was spoken by the Lord to His disciple, the sun-god Vivasvan, a rough estimate is that the Gita was spoken at least 120,400,000 years ago; and in human society it has been extant for two million years. It was respoken by the Lord again to Arjuna about five thousand years ago. That is the rough estimate of the history of the Gita, according to the Gita itself and according to the version of the speaker, Lord Sri Krsna. It was spoken to the sun-god Vivasvan because he is also a ksatriya and is the father of all ksatriyas who are descendants of the sun-god, or the surya-vamsa ksatriyas. Because Bhagavad-gita is as good as the Vedas, being spoken by the Supreme Personality of Godhead, this knowledge is apauruseya, superhuman. Since the Vedic instructions are accepted as they are, without human interpretation, the Gita must therefore be accepted without mundane interpretation. The mundane wranglers may speculate on the Gita in their own ways, but that is not Bhagavad-gita as it is. Therefore, Bhagavad-gita has to be accepted as it is, from the disciplic succession, and it is described herein that the Lord spoke to the sun-god, the sun-god spoke to his son Manu, and Manu spoke to his son Iksvaku.

(BG 4.1 ACBSP purport)

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tad viddhi pranipatena
pariprasnena sevaya
upadeksyanti te jnanam
jnaninas tattva-darsinah


Just try to learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master. Inquire from him submissively and render service unto him. The self-realized soul can impart knowledge unto you because he has seen the truth.

PURPORT

The path of spiritual realization is undoubtedly difficult. The Lord therefore advises us to approach a bona fide spiritual master in the line of disciplic succession from the Lord Himself. . The Lord is the original spiritual master, and a person in the disciplic succession can convey the message of the Lord as it is to his disciple. No one can be spiritually realized by manufacturing his own process, as is the fashion of the foolish pretenders.....

(BG 4.34 purport)

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(...) The Vedas are not compilations of human knowledge. Vedic knowledge comes from the spiritual world, from Lord Krsna. Another name for the Vedas is sruti. Sruti refers to that knowledge which is acquired by hearing. It is not experimental knowledge. Sruti is considered to be like a mother. We take so much knowledge from our mother. For example, if you want to know who your father is, who can answer you? Your mother. If the mother says, "Here is your father," you have to accept it. It is not possible to experiment to find out whether he is your father. Similarly, if you want to know something beyond your experience, beyond your experimental knowledge, beyond the activities of the senses, then you have to accept the Vedas. There is no question of experimenting. It has already been experimented. It is already settled. The version of the mother, for instance, has to be accepted as truth. There is no other way. The Vedas are considered to be the mother, and Brahma is called the grandfather, the forefather, because he was the first to be instructed in the Vedic knowledge. In the beginning the first living creature was Brahma. He received this Vedic knowledge and imparted it to Narada and other disciples and sons, and they also distributed it to their disciples. In this way, the Vedic knowledge comes down by disciplic succession. It is also confirmed in the Bhagavad-gita that Vedic knowledge is understood in this way. If you make experimental endeavor, you come to the same conclusion, but just to save time you should accept. If you want to know who your father is and if you accept your mother as the authority, then whatever she says can be accepted without argument. There are three kinds of evidence:
. Pratyaksa means "direct evidence." Direct evidence is not very good because our senses are not perfect. We are seeing the sun daily, and it appears to us just like a small disc, but it is actually far, far larger than many planets. Of what value is this seeing? Therefore we have to read books; then we can understand about the sun. So direct experience is not perfect. Then there is anumana, inductive knowledge: "It may be like this"--hypothesis. For instance, Darwin's theory says it may be like this, it may be like that. But that is not science. That is a suggestion, and it is also not perfect. But if you receive the knowledge from the authoritative sources, that is perfect. If you receive a program guide from the radio station authorities, you accept it. You don't deny it; you don't have to make an experiment, because it is received from the authoritative sources. Vedic knowledge is called sabda-pramana. Another name is sruti. Sruti means that this knowledge has to be received simply by aural reception. The Vedas instruct that in order to understand transcendental knowledge, we have to hear from the authority. Transcendental knowledge is knowledge from beyond this universe. Within this universe is material knowledge, and beyond this universe is transcendental knowledge....

Sri Isopanisad - Introduction by ACBSP -

Hope this will be useful
your humble servant
Nimai Pandit dasa
ISKCON Barcelona Temple Secretary





sanjeev prabhu

Nombre de Usuario: Sanju

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Enviado Jueves, 24 de Marzo de 2005 - 07:03 pm:   

Hare Krishna Prabhuji,

We hope all is well by the grace of Lord Shri Krishna. First of all we thank you for the wonderful answer to our question which we had written to Gaur Sunder Das Prabhuji who is stationed at Brindavan.

Q, As the living entities are the part and parcel of Lord Krishna, what makes us to come and suffer in this material world?

Q, As it is said that we were sparks of Lord Krishna, who were serving in vaikunta. What made lord to send us back to this material world.

Q, If it is said that we had made sin and punished by Lord Krishna to live in this material world. How was it possible to commit sin in his presence?=20

Waiting to hear from you.

Yours in the service of Lord Krishna.





Devoto

Nombre de Usuario: Devoto

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Enviado Lunes, 28 de Marzo de 2005 - 03:16 pm:   

Posted by: zakheim

> Q, As the living entities are the part and parcel of Lord Krishna,
> what makes us to come and suffer in this material world?

A. NO ONE WISHES TO EVER SUFFER IN THE MATERIAL WORLD. WHOEVER IS IN
HIS RASA WITH KRISHNA ALSO HAS HIS ETERNAL FREE WILL WHICH IS PROPERLY ENGAGED IN THE SERVICE OF LORD KRISHNA. IF ONE, EVEN FOR A SPLIT SECOND WISHES TO BE THE ENJOYER OF THAT WHICH ETERNALLY IS THE ENJOYMENT OF LORD KRISHNA, HE CREATES THE IMPOSSIBLE SITUATION. BECAUSE HE CANNOT FULFILL HIS DESIRE FOR ENJOYMENT IN THER PERFECT LAND OF VAIKUNTHA WHERE ONLY KRISHNA IS THE ENJOYERS AND ALL OTHERS ARE THE ENJOYED, ONE MUST THEN TAKE UP HIS MENTAL SENSE OF REALITY IN THE LAND OF "THAT WHICH IS NOT" OR THE MATERIAL WORLD WHICH IS UNDER THE CONTROL OF THE GODDESS MAYA. IN THE MATERIAL WORLD, ONE CAN FANCY HIMSELF TO BE THE ENJOYER, BUT THERE IS NO WAY TO ENJOY CONSIDERING THAT ALL OBJECTS OF ENJOYMENT ARE NOTHING MORE THAN PERVERTED REFLECTIONS OF REALITY.

FROM THE REALM OF "SAT" HE HAS DESCENDED TO THE REALM OF "ASAT" AND CANNOT BE HAPPY UNTIL HE HAS BEEN RESTORED TO HIS RASA WITH KRISHNA, WHICH HE HAS FORGOTTEN THE MOMENT HE LEAVES VAIKUNTHA.

> Q, As it is said that we were sparks of Lord Krishna, who were serving
> in vaikunta. What made lord to send us back to this material world.

A. THE LORD DID NOT SEND US BACK TO THE MATERIAL WORLD. AS TATASTHA POTENCY, OR MARGINAL POTENCY OF THE LORD, WE CAN BE CONDITIONED BY MAYA OR REMAIN IN PURE ASSOCIATION WITH KRISHNA.....THAT IS OUR CHOICE.

WE DESIRED UNDER A DESIRE TREE IN VAIKUNTHA TO SEE WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE TO BE THE LORD. OUR WISH WAS INSTANTLY GRANTED, BUT, ONLY IN THE REALM OF ILLUSION, AS WE CAN NEVER ACTUALLY BE ANY SORT OF LORD. IN VAIKUNTHA, EVEN THE STONES AND PEBBLES ARE FULLY KRISHNA CONSCIOUS PARTS AND PARCELS OF THE LORD IN RASA WITH HIM.

IN THE MATERIAL WORLD, THERE IS NOTHING BUT THE THREE MODES OF NATURE MOVING THE MATERIAL ELEMENTS AROUND IN A "COSMIC SAND BOX" IN WHICH FORMS ARE CREATED, BUT THEY HAVE NO PERMANENT EXISTENCE, NOR DO THEY HAVE THE QUALITY OF REALITY.

> Q, If it is said that we had made sin and punished by Lord Krishna to
> live in this material world. How was it possible to commit sin in his
> presence?

A. WE COMMITTED NO SIN IN HIS PRESENCE... WE SIMPLY EXERCISED OUR GOD GIVEN FREE WILL IN AN INAPPROPRIATE MANNER. SINCE IT IS OUR ETERNAL NATURE TO SERVE KRISHNA, DESIRING TO ENJOY SEPARATELY FROM KRISHNA IS OUR DOWNFALL. THERE IS NO SIN INVOLVED AT THIS POINT... SINFULLNESS IS RELATIVE TO THE MATERIAL WORLD, AND ONCE WE ARE STATIONED THERE, OUR SINS OF KARMA AND VIAKARMA WORK AGAINST EACH OTHER AS WE ATTEMPT TO CONQUER OVER THE STRINGENT LAWS OF MATERIAL ENERGY. WHEN WE SETTLE ON "ACARMA" OR SINLESS LIFE, WE CAN ONCE AGAIN PREPARE FOR OUR ETERNAL SANATAN DHARMA OF SERVICE TO THE LORD IN HIS KINGDOM.

NNV DAS

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